- Re: Delete this message — Nick Martinez, Fri Jan 17 23:34
Gloria
Re: Delete this message
Fri Jan 17 21:06:19 2003
Lauren,
You're pretty clueless. What makes you think I support the "right to choose"? All I am saying is that right now, it's legal to have an abortion. As long as it is legal, it is not legally considered murder.
I never said abortion is moral, nor did I ever say it is safe.
I also never said I personally have had an abortion, nor have I said I am in pain.
Nick's words don't upset me personally. What does disturb me is that he is presuming to do God's job. It's not Nick's job to judge a person guilty of sin. That's strictly God's job. Jesus said, "Judge not that ye be not judged." Nick is judging. He doesn't have a right to come in here and disrupt the board, judging women. This board is private, and he doesn't have the right to say anything he pleases, no matter what the consequences.
I also never said that Nick doesn't have a reason to be upset about abortion. What I said is that he doesn't have a right to take it out on these women. He doesn't know the circumstances. Most women who have abortions have been coerced or forced. They would gladly choose something else if they hadn't been forced or lied to, or if they had been given a minimum of support. It's an indictment of our society that we are not telling it like it is. Sex isn't free. It has consquences. And it's an indictment of our society that we don't respect women enough to help them respect themselves so they never get into a position like this in the first place. And it's an indictment of our society that we don't structure things so women can freely choose something other than abortion. And finally, it's an indictment of our society that only women are being forced to suffer the condemnation of people like Nick, while fathers, parents, employers, educational institutions, the media (which promote sexual promiscuity), and dozens of other individuals and forces are escaping without condemnation. And it's an indictment of us personally that we haven't done anything about our society. But there is a time and place to do it, and the place isn't where women for whom it is too late to change their actions are coming to get help.
The truth is, under the current situation, only the mother can protect her child. What incentive are Nick and you giving these mothers to refrain from abortion next time? What incentive are you giving them to speak out about their pain? Will women stop getting abortions if they have no idea what the consequences will be?
I hate to say it, but currently, it is legal to kill a fetus. It's that simple. So in answer to your question, "When is it legal to kill another person ever?" the answer is, whenever misguided lawmakers pass a law making it legal
No, it doesn't make it moral, or right, or any of the rest of it. The reality is, that's the way things are.
And the quicker people wise up and figure out how to change public opinion so that it will be outlawed, the quicker it will be outlawed. And the quicker we offer women real alternatives, the quicker public opinion will change. But you don't persuade people by tearing their hearts out. You just don't.
For these women, it is too late to undo what has happened. What point is there in tearing their hearts out? What purpose does it serve, except to take your frustration out on them?
In my experience, showing love is the best way to make sure there is never a next time. It is what persuaded the original Roe and Doe to condemn the court decisions in their cases. It's what has persuaded abortionists to stop doing abortions and switch sides. Not hatred, not condemnation, but love! And what did Jesus do? Did He condemn, or did He love?
Now do you understand? Or are you going to persist in being just as dense as Nick?
